RIM Responds to Apple’s ‘Distortion Field’

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For those of us who live outside of Apple’s distortion field, we know that 7” tablets will actually be a big portion of the market and we know that Adobe Flash support actually matters to customers who want a real web experience. We also know that while Apple’s attempt to control the ecosystem and maintain a closed platform may be good for Apple, developers want more options and customers want to fully access the overwhelming majority of web sites that use Flash. We think many customers are getting tired of being told what to think by Apple. And by the way, RIM has achieved record shipments for five consecutive quarters and recently shared guidance of 13.8 – 14.4 million BlackBerry smartphones for the current quarter. Apple’s preference to compare its September-ending quarter with RIM’s August-ending quarter doesn’t tell the whole story because it doesn’t take into account that industry demand in September is typically stronger than summer months, nor does it explain why Apple only shipped 8.4 million devices in its prior quarter and whether Apple’s Q4 results were padded by unfulfilled Q3 customer demand and channel orders. As usual, whether the subject is antennas, Flash or shipments, there is more to the story and sooner or later, even people inside the distortion field will begin to resent being told half a story.

– Jim Balsillie, Co-CEO at Research In Motion (RIM)

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  • http://twitter.com/bbindiaforums BBIndia Forums

    Great reply. Blackberry rocks.

    • Anonymous

      Did you have the background on this post? OR is this someone who has had too much RIMM Koolaid?

      • Guste

        Do u really know the background of Apple information ? or u just believe what uncle Steve Tells u ? u know why Apple get more selling because they start to ship to Middle east there broken phone without FACETIME funcetion and this is the reason why they stop the free bumber .. I always looking for Blackberry new devices not like Apple yah I have iPhone 4 with bumber .. Blackberry not ..

      • http://twitter.com/bbindiaforums BBIndia Forums

        Yes Sir, I read what Steve said and was really not happy with him.

  • http://twitter.com/stsns Sea to Sky

    Great response – I was reading Steve Jobs comments earlier and couldn’t believe the hype… proven to be a joke as per usual.

  • Slaihing

    Wow. About time RIM responded. Steve insists on targeting BB even though RIM has the biggest market share.

    • Real Deal

      If we are talking only smartphones here, RIM does not have the biggest market share – and it’s falling. Meanwhile Apple’s market share is climbing. And Apple has a bigger share of profit then RIM. Get your facts straight.

    • Real Deal

      If we are talking only smartphones here, RIM does not have the biggest market share – and it’s falling. Meanwhile Apple’s market share is climbing. And Apple has a bigger share of profit then RIM. Get your facts straight.

      • Misterf00

        Actually, Real Deal you are incorrect. My husband works for RIM and all I can say is that they are kicking it in market share. We have the real numbers and the analysts out there don’t always give accurate info.

      • Mario

        And so it is! Besides RIM makes huge business esp. here in Indonesia their biggest and fastest growing market right now (end of this year Indonesia has 150 million mobile phone users out of a population of 250 million). Here it’s all BB and Apple is nowhere in the numbers like RIM. Your not in business here without your BB and PIN…

      • Doc

        only one major carrier has iPhone. All the major carriers have
        Blackberries why don’t you do the math instead of regurgitating what Apple tells you

      • http://twitter.com/FoxRoxYourSox Greg Fox

        Actually Doc, iPhone is carried by AT&T, T-Mobile (Germany, UK, Netherlands), SoftBank, Orange, O2, Vodaphone, TELUS Mobility, Rogers and Bell Mobility.

      • HardcoreMommy

        What do you mean only one carrier has iPhone? Even Walmart has iPhone … for 3 different carriers alone… are you serious?

      • Jaq

        walmart does not qualify as a carrier , the carriers are AT&T, T-mobile, Verizon etc.

      • Vugar

        http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20012627-94.html apple does have the biggest market share

      • SheaSF

        Android has the biggest market share, Real. I-phone only held the distinction for a year or two. BlackBerry dominated the market until then. AT&T sucks in a lot of places. Android, and BB have not been eclipsed by a long shot.

      • Luther

        He didn’t specify whether his statement was directed at only smartphones. Therefore his facts are still correct. Get your LOGIC straight.

      • Chris M
      • i phone sucks

        BB rules i cant stand i phone or in that aspect anything apple puts out i cant stand their os it sucks.

      • http://twitter.com/ross_ritchey Ross Ritchey

        Uhm… yeah. RIM doesn’t have the biggest market share

        Android has more market share than Apple. – True
        RIM has more than double the market share that Android has – True

        RIM’s market share is falling – True
        Androids market share is growing – True
        Apples market share is growing – False

        Distortion fields go away when you look at the real numbers. Apple is good a marketing – this doesn’t mean they have the market share – and in fact, they don’t want the market share. They are getting plenty of profit off of the share they currently have.

  • Bmbartels

    I read a transcript of what Steve said and just became disgusted. You killed it! This is why I will be a BlackBerry forever, y’all are good, honest people who make the best products.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CLR3KAHSRGJUXLZD74TSIBFAHI reece

    Great. Now please demo a working Playbook unit. Don’t just hold it in your hand, but use it. Because right now, it looks like the Playbook is just vaporware.

  • ShortChange

    If customers are tired of ‘being told by Apple’ …sales would reflect that? Come on Balsille, RIM needs to step up their game and you know it.

    Developers ‘may’ want to build on flash for your systems, and that’s because you have a terrible software platform which isn’t capable of making good applications. Your application offerings are slim pickings; a fraction of the quality and quantity of Apple’s.

    You are losing market share by the hour. Your products are severely outdated.

    If you can’t face reality, the board needs to replace you.

    Step up the game, or become a thing of the past.

    • Hoho

      How about you realize that this post IS NOT ABOUT SMARTPHONES… its about tablets!!!

    • http://twitter.com/HoracioRivera Horacio Rivera

      I now own a BB i8350 and sucks BIG TIME, nextel has made already 5 REPLACEMENTS and the freaking thing has one problem or other, it seem like finally they will finally cancel my contract and start a new one without smartphone involved.

      I prefer beeing stuck with wife’s 2G iPhone than to read a Facebook coment on my i8350, crap cominig out of a bull, thats what my BB is.

    • Ben

      Why don’t you try dropping your iToy and I’ll drop my Blackberry, let’s see which survives. Oh and please remove that cute little bumper you had to buy to make the phone work properly.

    • T1

      Yep gotta get me that Fart app for my phone…yessirreee. pshh!

      What are you reading…Apple weekly? Some Apple pushing dork running down the latest BB release? You should pay a little more attention to where the articles come from….OR…heres an idea actually test drive the new BB’s! At least you’d be providing a fresh perspective instead of recycled drivel from years past – cause I’ve heard these exact comments before….funny its usually around the time a new BB product is scheduled for release…or is making news.
      Lovin’ my BBB!

    • Dennycranium

      If my sales reflect anything- its that Rim is gaining ground. I sell smartphones throughout North America and my numbers show BB as the biggest seller.
      Feedback from my customers tell me they prefer the Rim product.
      I’ve had customers switch to apple or droid only to call me 3 months later asking to go back to Blackberry.
      Some people may feel that Rim needs a sexier or more “souped up” device in terms of processing but Rim understands the smartphone market. Its about creating a stream of revenue for them and for the carriers. Their sales results show this again and again.

  • Anonymous

    Forbes should instate a new award category:

    Most Arrogant CEO of the decade.

    No points for guessing who the winner would be…

    • http://twitter.com/wallner67 Phillip Wallner

      Steve Jobs?

    • Michael Howie

      No need to be rude to Steve.

    • http://twitter.com/ross_ritchey Ross Ritchey

      Obviously Steve Jobs. Hands down. No competition.

  • http://twitter.com/rtorcato Richard Torcato

    Apple has the earnings to back it up.

    When will Rim stop doing the BOGO deals and show how many people actually want to buy their phones.

  • dieter

    the response is lame… of course 7inches are far inferior to 9inches! especially when most of that real estate is clobbered up with flash commercials. you apple haters out there! try an ipad and you’d realize that life without flash is a blessing….i can’t wait to get rid of my bb and to receive mail on my ipad instead…

    • Marcopolo

      Yeah bigger is not always better!

  • Anonymous

    Looks like nobody cares what RIMM says! Only 4 response?

    Mr CEO, Let the ppl speak for your products.

    Also, I am not saying what SJ or Apple says is always correct but Apple is one of the top firms that profits through innovation and that is what matters in the end!

    What RIMM has done in the last few years that is innovative or ground breaking? The smoke and mirror tablet that was showcased some time back is nothing more that another Storm! Let’s see anyway!!!

    • UrbanKhoja

      Whilst we all appreciate you taking the time to post, did you actually research first? You’re forgiven if you were simply too busy playing with your Lego and train set.

      Anyone old enough to go see a film without the need for an abundance of ID would know the benefits of both devices. Yes the iPhone is a great piece of technology, but it’s not perfect by any means.

      The BlackBerry isn’t perfect either, it’s based on a terribly outdated OS and lacks the build quality of Apple products. But all that aside, it’s evident the BlackBerry is a better device and thus easier to get things done.

      Which device caused big shenanigans in the middle east as the governments couldn’t intercept messages etc? Ergo which device will be one that will keep your data secure? The BlackBerry.

      It saddens me that Apple consumers don’t have the mental capacity to see beyond the Apple slogans and advertising, I feel RIM ought to set aside a charitable trust to help them recover and educate them in the ways of BlackBerry.

      Lastly, I would like to think that Her Magesty will duly see Mr Balsillie and reward him with some form of peerage for his comment above. Jim’ll fix it anyone?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JIHUENU4IWPQHI7KHHISVRBJ2U Kimo

        Do you work for BB? If you do that is great, you’ll be the talk of the office for 5 minutes. If not, I believe your comments would certainly classify you as a “follower.” Hope you don’t live in a glass house because you are throwing stones. And, to degrade someone you do not know and try to masquerade your comments with gibberish in an “undergrad” manner unveils some input into your social character. Don’t get me wrong I believe you have the right to feel the way you do, just try not to sound academic then finish the document with “Jim’ll fix it.” And use words that are applicable please.

        No person would receive peerage over a comment and I believe her Majesty would be quite upset to be acknowledged by the wrong word. Also please look up the definition of shenanigans, it does not mean problems.

        I agree with the overall message, just not the way you represented the cause.

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  • Gerry Daman

    Steve Jobs may have been a bit harsh, but until RIM actually ups their game to compete with real smartphones, people will continue to look elsewhere.

    Examples of disappointment from RIM in my eyes:
    1. The Torch – the same screen from the disappointing Storm?!
    2. The Playbook – no prices, no working demo, just specs on a sheet. Vaporware.

    • Jackie

      Real devices were demoed at the Devcon in SFO last month.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Thomson/663213839 Dave Thomson

        Oh really ? I must have missed the demo of the playbook then…

    • Squeaky192

      Exactly. There’s a reason Verizon gets a new Android device every 28 days and they fly off the shelves.

    • http://twitter.com/wallner67 Phillip Wallner

      Errm, the same screen as the Storm? I’m pretty sure the Storm had that terrible “SurePress” screen, while the Torch has a capacitive multitouch screen. And just to clue you in, that’s how all devices start – as specs on a sheet. But you probably think Steve Jobs said “let there be iphone” and it magically appeared in his hand. Just because Apple doesn’t release any of their concepts before actually designing them doesn’t make them better (or worse). To the guy who made the point about new Android devices – could that possibly be because there are currently 25 companies who manufacture Android phones? RIM is in trouble, but don’t invent problems that aren’t there.

    • Hayzus

      What are you talking about man? Same as Storm? Have you actually seen the phone? It’s not a big button anymore. And it’s a helluva lot faster than the iPhone.

    • Edgard

      Yuo are right man, I am a BB user BB8100, BB8320, BB8900, BB8520, and now a BB9550. I was hoping that the next generation “Storm” will have a 1gzh processor and a Super Oled or Amodel Screen. I like BBs and how they help to stay organized and I love the multitask, ah yes the mail too. But now I thinking to triad an Adroid phone. Ah! the Playbook will be my first table, but I need to know, microsd slot?, capacity? price? (Please excuse my English is it is bad written, Edgard from Perú)

    • Chris M

      The Torch doesn’t use the same screen as the Storm. Besides, if you’ve ever used a Storm 2 instead of just reading crap on the internet, you would know that its actually very good and easy to use.

      The Playbook isn’t vaporware just because people didn’t get to use it at the announcement. If that were the way it is, then the Torch would be vaporware too …

    • Me

      The Torch has a COMPLETELY different screen than the Storm. The Torch has a capacitive screen with all the fingertip zooming, etc. that you expect. The Storm was a failed short sighted response to the iPhone – the Storm (and II) was simply a bad idea. The Torch may be the best cell phone available ATM.

  • Logout

    Think different.

    I believe the meaning of that slogan changed.

  • James

    RIM just please make a quality tablet that works, you even had the nerve to have a fake one on stage,http://www.singularityhacker.com/2010/09/blackberry-playbook-doesnt-exist.html
    Until then I’m not buying into the RIM “Distortion Field” that you know how to make an ideal tablet that just works.

    • http://twitter.com/ross_ritchey Ross Ritchey

      The “just works” bull is part of the Apple distortion field, FYI.

      Apple computers haven’t just worked…. ever. They have some nice bells and whistles, but they don’t “just work”

      And the iPhone – doesn’t “just work” either. For the end user, the touch screen is unresponsive. For the developer, they are locked into a losing battle. For the network – they need to spend billions upgrading and still get flak for it. The only people the iPhone just works for is Apple and their Shareholders.

  • rojo

    BOOM!
    I don’t own a blackberry device but this reply may change my mind.

  • Mason Darren

    Blackberry is so far behind. All they have left is that corporate executive image they have fostered over the years, and those in need of their specific physical keyboard. Who wants to use or develop for a Blackberry browser?

    The OS will never catch up to Apple OR Android, all this is just damage control. Blackberry is old.

    • Cl_ads

      Mason, why don’t you educate yourself and research which company has the largest business market…RIM or Apple? RIM owners aren’t generally the young, insecure types that need to buy the latest phone to be “in” and then to find out the product isn’t worth all the hype, and they are stuck with a poor product..I”m retired from telecommunications, I built the towers and sold the phones, and will take RIM everyday over Apple

      • Mason Darren

        Then you are the perfect RIM customer…an antique. And sounding quite insecure at that.

      • http://www.jeffgibbard.com/ JGibbard

        Your generalizations are fairly offensive. The fact that you are claiming that the iPhone is simply for young insecure people who need the latest phone is about as accurate as saying Blackberrys are only for old people that need a physical keyboard because they can’t comprehend a touch screen.

        The iPhone changed the entire paradigm of telecomm by disrupting the power that carries had in favor of the phone manufacturer. Before the iPhone “App Store” was gibberish.

        If you are so impressed about RIM’s business numbers in this debate, you are missing the point. Apple is shipping a ton of phones and has momentum. They are the 2nd most valuable company in the world. Their stock price is more than $250/per share higher.

        Thanks for building the towers.

      • Elemento

        RIM owners aren’t generally the young, insecure types that need to buy the latest phone to be “in”…
        Did you guys ever wonder why RIM´s products launching never have the same hype Apple´s stuff do? Why we never see people waiting in line the whole night just to be the first one to buy the new iWhatever???
        Easy one! It´s because BB users have to work, we have a life, we have families and “normal people´s” stuff like that! Hahaha!

      • http://twitter.com/jr_plusplus Julian Russell

        Evidently RIM owners are the older, insecure types who don’t want to use their phone for anything except for e-mail.

      • Chriskhall

        CI_ads, while, you make an excellent statement, I don’t think that your statement really counters what Mason said…what is it about Blackberry that is inherently better than IPhone and why do so many business users have them? I bought my own 9630 by the way…but I have so little ammunition when my friends pull out their Iphones and they are just so impressive…

      • Catz1215

        I agree with CI_ads. BB are not made to target the teen crowd but the business crowd and besides that, at least BB phones have longer battery times than those Android phones and I have both a BB and an Android. I prefer my BB for this bery reason and I can get apps on my BB just like on my Android without draining my battery in one hour.

      • Jonas

        Right – a poor product with a larger screen, multi-touch, way better performance, 200k+ apps to choose from, a full-fledged modern browser and the best OS of the crop.

        Using Excel and Powerpoint all day long has really twisted your perception.

      • Joji_vk

        Cl_ads, I love my Blackberry. But this is the age of Facebook and Twitter with 500million+ in a few years.(Did I say Yahoo is dead!! Or Google move aside). The customers with lot of cash to throw away and time to spend are the kiddos. Not the executives that work for companies that keep cutting costs (I have my same Blackberry for last 3 years). That is where Apple has hit Jackpot. That is why they could ship 14 million in a few years and it will keep rising where as Blackberry is almost at the same level for sometime. I remember reading Jim Balsillie saying that IPhone is just another new player in the crowded market. But now they are reached the same no of shipments as Blackberry. And RIM is slow to innovate.
        “Serve the masses and you will be with the classes”

      • Vignesh

        CI_ads, Hi. I love Blackberry and have used all the models that they have ever released (except for the new slide one..!). Presently I use a BB 8520 and an Iphone. We can talk about the market share and how strong RIM is etc, but remember, BBs were in existence long before Iphone came to the market and Iphone marketshare is growing exponentially. RIM has to come up with more innovative solutions and better the browser experience. The quality and userfriendliness on an Iphone is absolutely amazing. Business users are more and more starting to move to Iphone, because once you experience the Iphone, there is really no looking back, be it rendering of images, speed and of course the apps. In my own circle of people, I have seen 4 diehard BB fans moving to Iphone. RIM has to be careful. Hopefully the Os 6 is better and may be more investment will go into enhancing the BB experience. Cheers.

    • BerryMaster

      Behind? If you like to have devices with locks then go apple… who cares!!!!

    • Guest

      You are clearly just a fan boy.

    • Techie JP

      True words of a follower, you people are whats wrong with society in general, never strong enough to think for yourself and but always willing to follow blindly. I will always praise apple for their computers and most of their software, but never for their other products. I despise being locked in or not having full access to the things i buy, and while all manufacturers do it no one does it as severely as apple. Blackberry might be old but it has more experience and is the original smart-phone, if RIM is falling behind its because its giving people what they want and not what they see fit.

    • me

      break away from the matrix sir…

    • Edgard

      There are much more that just the web experience. I can work with mi BB but I consider the Iphone just for play music and videos, is really good for that.

    • one ball jay

      Mason, you’re an idiot.

    • Jenyc2020

      Can’t beat blackberry’s real push e-mail.. I’ll take the old monocrome track wheel BB over iphone any day. And yes I had the Iphone for 1 year and was happy to get a simple do it all bb.

      • http://ceejayoz.com/ ceejayoz

        iPhones have real push e-mail.

      • Cook

        no. they actually don’t.

      • http://ceejayoz.com/ ceejayoz

        What does it lack?

      • Guest

        It doesn’t support IMAP IDLE, so it’s not true Push.

      • http://ceejayoz.com/ ceejayoz

        I’ll adjust the question. What does it lack from an end-user’s perspective?

      • http://ceejayoz.com/ ceejayoz

        What does it lack?

      • Torsnow

        Lol, except you have to pay for a MobileMe account or use your GMail account to actually have access to push email.

        Neither is a better phone. One is better for a given user, another is better for another user. Why does everyone feel the need to cheer on their product manufacturer as if it was their sports team?

        Go habs go!

    • http://twitter.com/kpoindexter Kevin Poindexter Jr

      You obviously don’t know RIMM’s market outside of the USA. Go to any other country and even the Youth of today have blackberry’s. Stop being so narrow minded and look beyond the scope of Apple and what they protray.

    • T1

      My son has had 2 iphones in the last year…yes 2. He has now switched to a BB like myself (2yrs running – no problems). The product is solid just like the company. The HYPE over iphone apps and android is just that HYPE. Really, how many dumb apps to you need on your phone…my BB Bold has apps for everything and its friggen solid unlikely the dainty iphones – that onscreen keybd is a joke nut hey if you like that sort of thing BB has the touch phone too. Kudos to Jim for telling it like it is.🙂

      • Richel Esguerra

        i strongly agree with you T1, iphone is just a toy for me. No wonder kids and young adolescent liked it so much. Every manufacturer always targets sales, apple will definitely smile cause back on their mind it pleased lot of young generation. If their target is to treat apple as a toy, so be it, it’s their marketing strategy. They should not compete with RIM’s blackberry cause their’s no way to compare with the true essense of smartphones.

    • madcorgi

      Who wouldn’t want to develop for the Blackberry browser on the new devices? And the Playbook is going to kick but with both HTML5 and Flash support. Apple devices break easily. I have seen too many cracked iPhone screens and am kind of annoyed with Apple’s hurdles for the development community. And another win for Blackberry. I can actually type on my Storm2. Typing on the iPhone is incredibly annoying.

    • Laudyemofio

      BB is far behind. Very true, but i only partially agree with you. BB needs to quit playing the catchup game and start being innovative. Bust some new moves people…lets achieve some uniqueness. for example BBM is a unique BB tool. Lets find something else for the average user to get excited about.
      With the OS, the lattest OS. 6 is actually encouraging and i hope RIM doesnt go back to sleep but rather keep pushing to surpass Andriod if possible.

    • Saurabhhindu

      why we dont have dislike option here!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Eric M Smith

      I’m not sure what planet you are on, but it’s Apple that is NOW and will always be behind Blackberry. iPhones are for people who think Ketchup is the only condiment. No, it’s the only one CHILDREN will eat. People who go to work, go to work with Blackberry.

    • Nick

      I only have one thing to say, You sir are clueless. And no I am not a blackberry fanboy infact I use Android phones which I would glady chuck into the bin along with any apple product, just because of empty promises by Apple and HTC alike.

  • http://blackberrycool.com/ Matt Cameron

    Good reply Jim. You’ve got a great Corporate Mudslinging Clarification Field going on that compliments your line of no-nonsense products. Kudos_

  • http://blackberrycool.com/ Matt Cameron

    Good reply Jim. You’ve got a great Corporate Mudslinging Clarification Field going on that compliments your line of no-nonsense products. Kudos_

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  • http://www.malcolmscorner.com Malcolm Lloyd

    APPLE – You got SERVED!

    • http://www.jeffgibbard.com/ JGibbard

      Served with record sales, record stock price and a platform that everyone is rushing to copy, yeah, I’m sure they’re really taking this to heart.

  • http://www.twitter.com/davidafenton DavidAFenton

    Interesting….though that Playbook needs to ship ASAP. iPad in Verizon stores looks daunting.

  • Ghostscript

    Wow! Steve Jobs just got slapped! LOL!

  • davidavid

    Blackberry is a dated, dying platform. I think everyone understands that.

    • Fwerner34

      Your statement is borderline absurd. RIMM shipped 11.2 million BlackBerry smartphones during the May quarter. It also added 4.9 million subscribers during the same period, increasing the total subscriber base to 46 million. And the company estimates that it added some 5 million
      more subscribers in the August interim.

      So how can you say that “everyone understands” that Blackberry is a “dated, dying platform”? What everyone understands, however, is that you have no idea what you are talking about.

  • Nattyranks

    All well and good Jim…But can you give us loyal Storm fans something we can be proud of????

    • Steven_perna

      Yes…we need a new and improved storm! I will stay with blackberry if you guys can get it right and get it going! Otherwise iphone for verizon here I come!!

    • Laudyemofio

      Hey…am with u on that one. I think its absurd to say the least that we BB Storm customers hve been left out to dry. We purchased the storm even when it was being bashed from left right forwards and centre. Now u would thing the storm would have been the first to receive an OS.6 update. If RIM doesn’t do something about the Storm, i am definately gonna go Android cos i want nothing else but the Storm 2. I dont want the Torch cos i think the Storm2 with the same OS will be far better.

      • Mitch

        There is a solution for Storm users. It’s called the iPhone. You should probably have taken a little bit more of all that”bash”-ing of the storm before you purchased. RIM has not been able to put together a solid OS in all of these years, so why does anyone expect that they are going to be able to create a decent touch screen experience? Please at least get a droid. “Loyalty” to a company that refuses to innovate is bad for everybody.

        Leave biases behind, go into a store (or multiple stores) try out different phones, and buy the one that is actually pleasurable to use.

        I used several blackberries for years, but the incredibly long full start-up/shutdown times, unusable internet, unintuitive controls, lack of worthwhile third party support, useless desktop client and generally unresponsive OS convinced me to switch. I even chose to leave Verizon.

        While Verizon definitely had better service and I had to spend 5 extra minutes to set up my email so it would push rather than fetch, I’ve had a tremendously improved experience. My phone just always works, when I want it to and how I want it to. In fact, it’s actually enjoyable just to use. Nothing like this was ever offered by the blackberry.

      • http://caspan.com Caspan

        I love how people talk about the problems they use to have 3 years ago with phones.. Why don’t you try a Torch before bashing it? RIM is ever changing and to compare 3 years ago RIM to today’s RIM well just shows your knowledge of technology change. It’s like comparing a 4th generation iPhone to a 2nd generation one. They’re way different in reliability and applications. If you have an opinion make it informed or else you sound like the rest of the Kool-aid drinkers
        Steve Main
        steve@caspan.com

      • Mitch

        I had this problem 3 months ago (literally) with my brand new blackberry that had just been replaced. In my 3 years with blackberry devices I had to replace my phones 5 times. Also, before I bought a different phone I tried out the latest blackberries (as of late June 2010), and they were no different. After 3 years of constant frustration with RIM and sub-par user experience I switched after significant research and my own testing. So please do not attempt to tell me that I’m not informed. People who disagree with you aren’t necessarily wrong.

        So i’m not comparing new iPhones to old blackberries. And even if I were, let’s say I compare the iPhone 4 to the first iteration: the same basic things are there — a great user interface, great web surfing, and it turned on in under 10 minutes. Now might the Blackberry Torch have completely resolved all of these issues one month after they drove me from RIM’s phones? It’s possible, but the bottom line is that my 2009 Blackberry was a much less pleasurable experience than the very first iPhone. Sorry if I didn’t wait another 3 years for Blackberry to get these basic issues in check.

        So while your argument establishes that the newest blackberry (taking what you say as true) brings it up to par with an iPhone, your point is irrelevant. Especially when I was responding to a RIM user, who like myself, got sick of having deal with a second-rate OS.

        Blackberry has its merits, but it needs to start innovating rather than having to play catch-up if it wants to be relevant.

        Also, you’re the one arguing blindly behind one brand, I’m saying there are better options. Enjoy RIM’s Kool-aid.

      • Mitch

        There is a solution for Storm users. It’s called the iPhone. You should probably have taken a little bit more of all that”bash”-ing of the storm before you purchased. RIM has not been able to put together a solid OS in all of these years, so why does anyone expect that they are going to be able to create a decent touch screen experience? Please at least get a droid. “Loyalty” to a company that refuses to innovate is bad for everybody.

        Leave biases behind, go into a store (or multiple stores) try out different phones, and buy the one that is actually pleasurable to use.

        I used several blackberries for years, but the incredibly long full start-up/shutdown times, unusable internet, unintuitive controls, lack of worthwhile third party support, useless desktop client and generally unresponsive OS convinced me to switch. I even chose to leave Verizon.

        While Verizon definitely had better service and I had to spend 5 extra minutes to set up my email so it would push rather than fetch, I’ve had a tremendously improved experience. My phone just always works, when I want it to and how I want it to. In fact, it’s actually enjoyable just to use. Nothing like this was ever offered by the blackberry.

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